{"id":5054,"date":"2011-10-17T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2011-10-17T09:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp.muchomaas.com\/l-ecole-reste-a-la-traine5054\/"},"modified":"2023-06-23T23:09:40","modified_gmt":"2023-06-23T21:09:40","slug":"l-ecole-reste-a-la-traine5054","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/?p=5054","title":{"rendered":"\u00ab L&#8217;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"post_excerpt\">Entretien<br \/>\navec Beno\u00eet<br \/>\nFalaize,<br \/>\nancien chercheur<br \/>\n\u00e0 l\u2019Institut<br \/>\nnational<br \/>\nde recherche<br \/>\np\u00e9dagogique (INRP), qui<br \/>\nvient d&#8217;\u00eatre nomm\u00e9 directeur<br \/>\ndes ressources \u00e0 la<br \/>\nCit\u00e9 de l&#8217;histoire de l&#8217;immigration.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regards.fr:<\/strong> <strong> <em>Quelle place occupe le<br \/>\n17 octobre 1961 dans les<br \/>\nmanuels scolaires ?<\/em> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Beno\u00eet Falaize:<\/strong> Pour le moment, cela occupe<br \/>\nune place assez t\u00e9nue. Selon<br \/>\nmoi, c&#8217;est parce que la connaissance<br \/>\nhistorique sur le 17 octobre<br \/>\n1961 est tr\u00e8s r\u00e9cente.<br \/>\nIl a fallu attendre la traduction<br \/>\nde l&#8217;ouvrage de Jim House et<br \/>\nNeil Mac Master aux \u00e9ditions<br \/>\nTallandier en 2008 pour que<br \/>\nl&#8217;on ait un ouvrage de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence<br \/>\navec des donn\u00e9es fiables, des<br \/>\narchives, etc. Jusqu&#8217;\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent<br \/>\nil n&#8217;y avait que des livres de<br \/>\nt\u00e9moignages ou des livres militants<br \/>\nde la m\u00e9moire alg\u00e9rienne<br \/>\ndes ann\u00e9es 1960.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regards.fr:<\/strong> <strong> <em>Et pourquoi la recherche<br \/>\nscientifique a-t-elle pris<br \/>\nautant de temps ?<\/em> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Beno\u00eet Falaize:<\/strong> C&#8217;est une question de sources,<br \/>\net encore aujourd&#8217;hui les archives<br \/>\nsur la guerre d&#8217;Alg\u00e9rie<br \/>\nont du mal \u00e0 s&#8217;ouvrir. Les travaux<br \/>\nd&#8217;histoire se font ainsi petit<br \/>\n\u00e0 petit, au rythme de l&#8217;ouverture<br \/>\ndes archives, d&#8217;autant plus que<br \/>\nl&#8217;on touche l\u00e0 \u00e0 la question de<br \/>\nla pr\u00e9fecture de Paris, dirig\u00e9e \u00e0<br \/>\nl&#8217;\u00e9poque par Maurice Papon. La<br \/>\nquestion du 17 octobre 1961<br \/>\nsoul\u00e8ve en effet des sujets sensibles<br \/>\n: comment un pr\u00e9fet qui<br \/>\navait d\u00e9j\u00e0 oeuvr\u00e9, comme on le<br \/>\nsait, pendant la seconde guerre<br \/>\nmondiale, pouvait-il \u00eatre \u00e0 la<br \/>\nt\u00eate de la pr\u00e9fecture de Paris<br \/>\nau moment o\u00f9 l&#8217;on r\u00e9primait les<br \/>\nmanifestations alg\u00e9riennes ?<br \/>\nOn comprend facilement pourquoi<br \/>\nces sujets d\u00e9rangent car<br \/>\nils posent la question de l&#8217;administration<br \/>\nfran\u00e7aise.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regards.fr:<\/strong> <strong> <em>Le 17 Octobre est-il selon<br \/>\nvous un sujet encore<br \/>\ntabou ?<\/em> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Beno\u00eet Falaize:<\/strong> Je pense que \u00e7a l&#8217;est de moins<br \/>\nen moins, d&#8217;une part parce que<br \/>\n\u00e7a a \u00e9t\u00e9 pris en charge tr\u00e8s t\u00f4t<br \/>\npar les associations de l&#8217;immigration<br \/>\net par tous les r\u00e9seaux<br \/>\nmilitants de gauche. D&#8217;autre<br \/>\npart, paradoxalement, le proc\u00e8s<br \/>\nPapon a beaucoup aid\u00e9 \u00e0<br \/>\nce que ce ne soit plus un sujet<br \/>\ntabou. Enfin, il y a un d\u00e9sir dans<br \/>\nla communaut\u00e9 \u00e9ducative, de<br \/>\nl&#8217;inspection g\u00e9n\u00e9rale aux professeurs,<br \/>\nde d\u00e9passer les enjeux<br \/>\nde m\u00e9moire et d&#8217;enseigner<br \/>\nenfin cette histoire dans toute<br \/>\nsa complexit\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regards.fr:<\/strong> <strong> <em>On dit pourtant que les<br \/>\nenseignants rencontrent<br \/>\nbeaucoup de probl\u00e8mes<br \/>\n\u00e0 aborder ce sujet\u2026<\/em> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Beno\u00eet Falaize:<\/strong> C&#8217;est vrai que dans certains<br \/>\n\u00e9tablissements \u00e7a peut poser<br \/>\ndes probl\u00e8mes, notamment<br \/>\nentre enfants issus de familles<br \/>\nde Harkis et de familles FLN,<br \/>\npour dire les choses un peu<br \/>\nsch\u00e9matiquement, sans que<br \/>\nles enfants sachent en r\u00e9alit\u00e9<br \/>\ngrand-chose de l&#8217;histoire des<br \/>\nuns et des autres. Mais en<br \/>\ng\u00e9n\u00e9ral, quand les cours sont<br \/>\nbien assur\u00e9s et que les profs<br \/>\nconnaissent leur sujet, cela se<br \/>\npasse bien car les \u00e9l\u00e8ves sont<br \/>\nravis d&#8217;avoir un cours d&#8217;histoire<br \/>\nl\u00e0-dessus. Mais cela suppose<br \/>\nque les enseignants aient une<br \/>\nformation et une ma\u00eetrise des<br \/>\nouvrages r\u00e9cents sur la guerre<br \/>\nd&#8217;Alg\u00e9rie. Je constate que cela<br \/>\navance et que ceux qui ont<br \/>\nentre 25 et 40 ans, ont un meilleur<br \/>\nacc\u00e8s \u00e0 cette litt\u00e9rature.<br \/>\nPour la g\u00e9n\u00e9ration pr\u00e9c\u00e9dente,<br \/>\nquand le th\u00e8me \u00e9tait abord\u00e9,<br \/>\nc&#8217;\u00e9tait souvent du \u00ab bricolage \u00bb<br \/>\npersonnel.<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-5054 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/falaizes-169.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/falaizes-169-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\u00ab L&#039;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15511\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15511'>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ab L&#8217;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/falaizeb-4b1.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"122\" src=\"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/falaizeb-4b1-150x122.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\u00ab L&#039;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15512\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15512'>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ab L&#8217;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/falaizec-767.jpg'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"80\" height=\"55\" src=\"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/falaizec-767.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\u00ab L&#039;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15513\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15513'>\n\t\t\t\t\u00ab L&#8217;\u00e9cole reste \u00e0 la tra\u00eene \u00bb\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Entretien<br \/>\navec Beno\u00eet<br \/>\nFalaize,<br \/>\nancien chercheur<br \/>\n\u00e0 l\u2019Institut<br \/>\nnational<br \/>\nde recherche<br \/>\np\u00e9dagogique (INRP), qui<br \/>\nvient d&#8217;\u00eatre nomm\u00e9 directeur<br \/>\ndes ressources \u00e0 la<br \/>\nCit\u00e9 de l&#8217;histoire de l&#8217;immigration.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":15511,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_themeisle_gutenberg_block_has_review":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[141],"tags":[293],"class_list":["post-5054","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-archives-web","tag-entretien"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5054","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5054"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5054\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/15511"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5054"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5054"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archives.regards.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5054"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}